Necropolis #52 – On the Metaphysics of Death

#52 – On the Metaphysics of Death: Philosophical roundtable on the metaphysical and ontological side of reality in terms of the inevitable expiration date, correlations to metal, the human condition, and so forth. There’s a lot to unpack in this episode. Brett Stevens from www.deathmetal.org and the author of “Nihilism: A Philosophy Based in Nothingness and Eternity” joins alongside David Burke who is a PhD student specializing in Metal Studies, as well as Raphael who is a metal writer and psychology major.

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  1. You are aware that Brett Stevens is Prozak, Real name Chris Blanc? The far right moron (and philosophical illiterate) behind ANUS.com?

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      1. I’ve read that piece which is why i was surprised and taken aback that you would give someone with such an obviously moronic and externally imposed teleology on the history of metal, not to mention piss-poor understanding of history, economics politics and philosophy (see e.g amerika.org) anything resembling a platform where he is treated as an equal at the table and not the moron he self-evidently is. This is after all the man who inspired Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer and terrorist, and I was wondering how you square this sort of engagement with your generally left-of-centre politics. Ciao

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  2. I’ve read that piece which is why i was surprised and taken aback that you would give someone with such an obviously moronic and externally imposed teleology on the history of metal, not to mention piss-poor understanding of history, economics politics and philosophy (see e.g amerika.org) anything resembling a platform where he is treated as an equal at the table and not the moron he self-evidently is. This is after all the man who inspired Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer and terrorist, and I was wondering how you square this sort of engagement with your generally left-of-centre politics.

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    1. I’m not sure I can give a satisfactory answer here given the strength of feeling, but I’ll try and offer some context.

      Prozak’s writing on metal in particular remains hugely influential within the underground, I think you would be surprised how many anus.com alumni litter the scene, this is not tantamount to endorsing his political views, which I abhor. (I am not aware of the Anders Breivik connection)

      I have no problem acknowledging the influence he had on me, and the possibility that he still has value to contribute on metal discourse. However, be assured that I had (have) plenty of misgivings about this episode being on the channel (I did not appear on this particular episode), but I accept that curation on the figure of Prozak should probably be added to disavow the broader philosophy of anus.com if it is to stay up at all.

      In regards to platforming, deathmetal.org and the DMU have an exponentially larger platform than HM, so on a practical level it’s not possible for HM to amplify Prozak as an individual, his infamy stretches far beyond the small reach of this site.

      Lastly, because of HM’s roots in anus.com (and judging from many of the comments and messages I receive), my readership is broadly alt right/conservative. The style of my music discourse appeals to them despite the fact that I sit at the opposite end of the political spectrum.

      Whilst I do not believe in the liberal ideal of legitimising their views by sitting at the same table to debate the issues as equals, I believe there is value in using music discourse to bridge the political divide in metal particularly (Prozak was brought on to discuss death in metal after all), with a view to diffusing the extreme far right tendency by exposing more moderate right wing elements to left political theory and the value of making metal a more inclusive place without sacrificing quality music. This is reconciliation via music.

      This idea is a work in progress, so I completely accept that all of the above may look like a very weak response to your concerns, and perhaps too naïve to survive contact with reality. But I do thank you for commenting and for getting me to look again at this.

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      1. Dear HM
        Firstly, thank you for taking the time out to write a civil and cogent reply, I appreciate it. I will now, in the time honored tradition of bad internet threads, quote you at length and reply.

        “Prozak’s writing on metal in particular remains hugely influential within the underground, I think you would be surprised how many anus.com alumni litter the scene, this is not tantamount to endorsing his political views, which I abhor. (I am not aware of the Anders Breivik connection)”

        1) I am quite aware of the 1st phenomenon you point out – I’m an example of it. In fact I found your blog trying to find discussion of extreme music that wasn’t grounded in this odious, moronic (and most importantly) unscientific/irrational/dishonest teleology. Naturally the first thing I found was “growing up in the ANUS”

        2) To some extent it is an annoying self-referential problem – a lot of the underground canon was created in part by people like Chris Blanc, making him, in hindsight seem prophetic and whatnot whereas it’s just his (& likeminded others) tastes that were originally used to define somewhat of a canon in the early days of the internet. Which is also, why you were often into the “right bands at the wrong time” as you put it in your piece about ANUS.

        3) The breivik connection is tragicomic at best As “prozak”, Chris was quite fond of wishing for all sorts of violence on others (you’ll notice amerika takes a slightly different tack). I don’t know if its directly because of that that the persona changed from prozak to stevens or anus split into DMU and amerika, but the cliffnotes version is as far as I can tell:

        Chris wanted leftists and other undesirables killed–>Brevik obliged–>Thanked “prozak” for inspiration explicitly–>”Prozak’s” balls dropped off saying Brevik has courage he doesnt but he supports the actions in principle as it “has raised the cost of being a leftist” in Europe –> Presumably scared of the fuzz and/or Antifa coming after him –> “Prozak” re-brands as Brett Stevens, a mild mannered *thinker*, who ironically now uses his blog AND DMU to clutch pearls and wring hands about “Antifa Terrorists”.
        https://www.amerika.org/politics/breaking-the-back-of-virtue-signaling/

        “I have no problem acknowledging the influence he had on me…”
        Same, See above. Perhaps we both need to work harder to escaping it, not through rejection but a dialectical overcoming of it. (See end of this reply)

        “In regards to platforming, deathmetal.org and the DMU have an exponentially larger platform than HM, so on a practical level it’s not possible for HM to amplify Prozak as an individual, his infamy stretches far beyond the small reach of this site.”

        1) Fair enough.
        2) Please lets call a spade a spade and “prozak”/Brett Stevens as Chris Blanc, by (what I think is) his real name. I’m writing anonymously because I really only intend this communication for you. If I was to put a blog out with my political beliefs I assure you it would not be anonymous.

        I’m not a fan of the “Every profound spirit needs a mask” nonsense, I’m much more of a “the communists disdain to conceal their aims and views” kinda guy :p

        A third rate fiction writer who learnt a little bit of coding and thus thinks he’s “smart” calling for the mass slaughter of billions who is too cowardly to use his own name has really only one “asset” – ANONYMITY and I see no reason to provide him that.

        “….This is reconciliation via music…”

        1) Now we get to the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. I see your point, my first instinct is to say its a fools hope and as you so eloquently put it “too naïve to survive contact with reality”

        2) However, what the hell do I know? I would prefer to follow in the footsteps of *my* intellectual heroes (Marx, Engels, I’d name others but here me being from the global south and you from the north would probably soon find both of us on opposite sides :D) and write a *counter-history* of metal. a *counter* metal FAQ. In Marxs method (I presume with a philosophy degree, even if it is from reactionary England (j/k) you have some familiarity with the guy’s method, and far more then me, I come from STEM :p) of immanent criticism perhaps, or just rigorous, good old fashioned scientific and materialist inquiry. By which I mean, not RABM or some other fake teleology, but an honest-to-goodness history of metal.

        3)To that end, I am putting together other like-minded friends. I was wondering if this is something you’d like to be included in or would consider contributing to. There is ofc a lot we would need to discuss, so I suppose this is where I should end this rant and ask what’s a good way to reach you for private communication, *if* you’re willing.

        4) All this will take a few months to years. I have PhDs to apply to and (hopefully) start this year, which will put me back in contact with my collaborator – a metalhead Physicist who’s never heard of ANUS but agrees with their top 15 list in Black and Death metal. If you agree, we can start corresponding. I would love to be educated about metal and the history of it from someone who doesn’t feel my skin color bars me from attending European universities to study things their own white-supremacist ass is too dumb to. We’d have a lot to discuss – not least our widely divergent politics despite being “left”. But I think it could be a productive and fruitful exchange & worst case scenario we’d lose nothing but time.

        Sorry for the wall of text, my age must be showing since I’ve done a horrible job of being organized.

        Live long and prosper and all that. Ciao.

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  3. Thanks for the background, I’ll save responding to each point individually, suffice to say there’s plenty of food for thought here, and I broadly agree with what you’re saying, so thanks for taking the time to reply (and no need to apologise for the wall of text).

    In regards to your last point, this definitely chimes with where I see HM going at some point, finding a route to save the history of extreme metal from the “enormous condescension of posterity” whilst detaching this from the legacy of anus.com and its orbital sites and toxic legacy. Unfortunately this is something I do in my spare time so my capacity is somewhat limited at times.

    I’ll save saying much more for now, other than I would be very interested corresponding if you’re serious, I can be reached at hatemeditations@gmail.com

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